now Miley's being attacked for saying shes pro-gay rights

[flutesinger262]

um wtf. shes a bad role model because she said jesus loves everyone wow. these people are digusting. this just like the article I saw last week saying that Miley's not a real christian, it even gave everyone a link to email Miley's pastor and complain. ugh I hate these people
http://www.americablog.com/2009/04/religious-right-now-trying-to-punish.html

[NancyDrew]

*rolls eyes* Ignore them.

[Shoughton101296]

wow. wtf people? It's called 'freedom of speach'. So now only regualar people are given the rights of the constituion, but not celbs? wow :mad:

[flutesinger262]

this is rediculous. I hate this crap. hypocrites, the bible also says you can't judge

[NancyDrew]

I have serious issues with generalizations in that article as well. :S

[joecyrusfan]

But this person " by John Aravosis" seem to be defending her for what and the way she said it , that what I get he is doing IMO.
And here is how the bigots at the American Family Association reacted:

And here is how the bigots at the American Family Association reacted:
Such statements will send the wrong message to our children who are influenced by this teenage megastar. Parents need to realize that Cyrus is not the positive role model she was once thought to be.... Clearly she is confused and does not understand the Bible.

[nailzee]

And those people can themselves Christians...sorry, but the only purpose of every religion is to make the world a place where every single creature can live happily.
So those people are as "unchristian" as possible. Stupid fundamentalists....

[Nelliephant]

The people that filed that complaint make me sick.
joecyrusfan, I think we all agree that the author of the article is on Miley's side for sure, he's with us about how ludicrous it all is.
But how dare they say 'she is obviously confused and does not understand the Bible', how much more patronising can you get? Not to mention rude and ignorant.
Good for Miley for speaking up on what she believes in, I hope she sticks to her guns on this one.

[flutesinger262]

But this person " by John Aravosis" seem to be defending her for what and the way she said it , that what I get he is doing IMO.
i know lol. i'm not talking about him, i mean the group hes complaining about for basing miley

[Lynnaque]

fock this shet. i hate people like that more than anything. miley better not retract anything.

[Nelliephant]

fock this shet. i hate people like that more than anything. miley better not retract anything.

A-stinkin'-men to that!

[mileyobsessed]

i love miley and it is called freedom of speech so why can't people say that they think its wrong? Every one is given the rights of the constitution, so people an express their feelings too! You shouldn't bash on the people who think its wrong or on the people who are "pro-gay". Go read the Bible, and the Constitution and then tell me if I'm wrong! I will stay strong for the Lord!

wow. wtf people? It's called 'freedom of speach'. So now only regualar people are given the rights of the constituion, but not celbs? wow :mad:

[IngridElisabeth]

ROFL.
gosh. give her a break!
why cant people just stop
being stupid and care
about themselves instead?!

[Lynnaque]

i love miley and it is called freedom of speech so why can't people say that they think its wrong? Every one is given the rights of the constitution, so people an express their feelings too! You shouldn't bash on the people who think its wrong or on the people who are "pro-gay". Go read the Bible, and the Constitution and then tell me if I'm wrong! I will stay strong for the Lord!

go freedom of speech and all, but pro-gay people aren't the ones oppressing anyone.

[swe3t23]

if i were her i wouldn't address this to the public. She should just keep quiet till it dies down. And she never said she is for pro-gay rights. She stated that everyone should be equal and loved.

[flutesinger262]

its fine to say you think its wrong, but they gave out contact information for her pastor. so that people can harass Miley's pastor. that not freedom of speech and thats not okay

[mileyobsessed]

go freedom of speech and all, but pro-gay people aren't the ones oppressing anyone.

Apparently they are because this whole thread is people bashing on the people who disagree. people keep saying they hate people like that but they don't even know them. The people who are saying that stuff may be your mom, or your best friend. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION, at least thats what you people say!

[Lynnaque]

if i were her i wouldn't address this to the public. She should just keep quiet till it dies down. And she never said she is for pro-gay rights. She stated that everyone should be equal and loved.

no she said she was pro-gay rights. she said she thought perez and his partner deserved to be together. she said it was lame that people used religion to deny gays full equality under the law. she agreed with heidi montaque that gays should be able to get married just as easily as straight people. she quite clearly is pro-gay rights.

i think she should just keep quiet too.

[nailzee]

no she said she was pro-gay rights. she said she thought perez and his partner deserved to be together. she said it was lame that people used religion to deny gays full equality under the law. she agreed with heidi montaque that gays should be able to get married just as easily as straight people. she quite clearly is pro-gay rights.


Yay, and now she only has to say that she's not a hardcore creationist and I'm happy with her ^^

[Lynnaque]

Apparently they are because this whole thread is people bashing on the people who disagree. people keep saying they hate people like that but they don't even know them. The people who are saying that stuff may be your mom, or your best friend. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION, at least thats what you people say!

i know that they are attacking miley for saying that she's not a homophobe. i really do hate people like that. my family and friends would never do that. i have a few friends who would think it was wrong for themselves to be gay because on principle they don't agree, but don't deny others their rights. and while i think it's a little sad i do tolerate that.

[mileyobsessed]

its fine to say you think its wrong, but they gave out contact information for her pastor. so that people can harass Miley's pastor. that not freedom of speech and thats not okay

I agree. They shouldn't bash the pastor because he may not teach that. She might just believe it because it's her opinion. but, honestly in the Bible it doesn't say the God doesn't love everyone but it also doesn't say he accepts homosexuals into the kingdom of heaven. I didn't write it.

[Yero34]

The bible says a lot things. Wives submit to their husbands, pffft, no thanks. Something about pushing a camel through the eye of the needle. Okay. I'm a Christian and I do follow the bible, but I don't take it as the absolute truth because a) written by man, b) translated God knows how many times.

Miley showed herself to be extremely open minded. A trait not often associated with CHristians. They should be thanking her.

[mileyobsessed]

if i were her i wouldn't address this to the public. She should just keep quiet till it dies down. And she never said she is for pro-gay rights. She stated that everyone should be equal and loved.

i personally think it would have been the best to keep her mouth shut. The media will do anything to get her down, and I'm surprised she hasn't learned that yet.

I love miley with all of my heart but I just disagree with her, sometimes.

[Nelliephant]

100% agree with Yero

[FrenchGirl15]

I have to say, I'm a little upset thhat Miley is pro-gay.

[nailzee]

I agree. They shouldn't bash the pastor because he may not teach that. She might just believe it because it's her opinion. but, honestly in the Bible it doesn't say the God doesn't love everyone but it also doesn't say he accepts homosexuals into the kingdom of heaven. I didn't write it.

People wrote the Bible and that's the main problem: Some people still believe the Bible dropped from the sky and refuse to think about all this stuff in a modern way.
Do you believe that God created homosexuality if he doesn't want it? I mean homosexuality is not a human thing, even animals are gay.
They can't help it, so it would be more than unfair to call this people inferior for something they have no control about.

Edit: Read this, yero, it's hilarious xD
http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/joke/laura.htm

[Nelliephant]

Yay, and now she only has to say that she's not a hardcore creationist and I'm happy with her ^^

Keep your fingers crossed :D

i know that they are attacking miley for saying that she's not a homophobe. i really do hate people like that. my family and friends would never do that. i have a few friends who would think it was wrong for themselves to be gay because on principle they don't agree, but don't deny others their rights. and while i think it's a little sad i do tolerate that.

Exactly.

i personally think it would have been the best to keep her mouth shut. The media will do anything to get her down, and I'm surprised she hasn't learned that yet.

I love miley with all of my heart but I just disagree with her, sometimes.

I'm actually really glad she changed her mind about speaking out, at first it looked like she'd just go for the diplomatic route, but then she did come out and say how she really feels about it, which for me showed just how much she cares about the subject, it must be fairly important to her if she was willing to risk the media backlash, because I think she's definitely learned that, she was just willing to risk it in order to speak out for what she believes in.

[Xizer]

Miley owns. When you're being attacked by the religious right you know you're doing something right.

That's my motto!

[Lynnaque]

I agree. They shouldn't bash the pastor because he may not teach that. She might just believe it because it's her opinion. but, honestly in the Bible it doesn't say the God doesn't love everyone but it also doesn't say he accepts homosexuals into the kingdom of heaven. I didn't write it.

must not write what i want to write.

[mileyobsessed]

i know that they are attacking miley for saying that she's not a homophobe. i really do hate people like that. my family and friends would never do that. i have a few friends who would think it was wrong for themselves to be gay because on principle they don't agree, but don't deny others their rights. and while i think it's a little sad i do tolerate that.

I think it's sad too and i tolerate it too much, i think, in the everyday situtation. But i'm a shy person and they way I want to get my message across is through the internet because, quite frankly, i don't get as offended and I wouldn't be able to walk up to somebody and say "I think being gay is wrong." So i'll say what I want to and there is an 99% chance none of you will change my mind. And I'm sure i wont change anyone else's but its worth a try.

[mileyobsessed]

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[mileyobsessed]

I have to say, I'm a little upset thhat Miley is pro-gay.

As am I, As am I.

[Nelliephant]

People wrote the Bible and that's the main problem: Some people still believe the Bible dropped from the sky and refuse to think about all this stuff in a modern way.
Do you believe that God created homosexuality if he doesn't want it? I mean homosexuality is not a human thing, even animals are gay.
They can't help it, so it would be more than unfair to call this people inferior for something they have no control about.

Edit: Read this, yero, it's hilarious xD
http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/joke/laura.htm

That really cheered me up, thanks :D

[flutesinger262]

I agree. They shouldn't bash the pastor because he may not teach that. She might just believe it because it's her opinion. but, honestly in the Bible it doesn't say the God doesn't love everyone but it also doesn't say he accepts homosexuals into the kingdom of heaven. I didn't write it.
actually Miley's pastor agrees with her, which is why they're having everyone attack him. He teaches that god loves everyone, just the way they are

[Yero34]

I'm with nailzee. Why would God choose to make some people inherently "evil." What could possibly be evil about love?

[Lynnaque]

I think it's sad too and i tolerate it too much, i think, in the everyday situtation. But i'm a shy person and they way I want to get my message across is through the internet because, quite frankly, i don't get as offended and I wouldn't be able to walk up to somebody and say "I think being gay is wrong." So i'll say what I want to and there is an 99% chance none of you will change my mind. And I'm sure i wont change anyone else's but its worth a try.

yeah, you're such a tolerant person. really, i look up to you. if we could all just be as fcking tolerant as you.

[Nelliephant]

and this is sadly the point where this thread should probably be closed.
I'm only saying that because it's going to become a game of 'i'm right, no i'm right, i'm not going to agree with you, well neither am i....so i'm right, right?'

[mileyobsessed]

yeah, you're such a tolerant person. really, i look up to you. if we could all just be as fcking tolerant as you.

u obviously, completely missed my point! Retard.

[mileyobsessed]

and this is sadly the point where this thread should probably be closed.
I'm only saying that because it's going to become a game of 'i'm right, no i'm right, i'm not going to agree with you, well neither am i....so i'm right, right?'

You are probably right.... I just wasted the past 30 minutes fighting with the internet.

[Yero34]

You do realize that Miley and Taylor look like they're about a nano second away from planting one on each other in your avatar right? I'm just saying. It's kind of well, gay.

[Nelliephant]

Well seeing as you're following the advice so far, I strongly suggest you leave this thread now before you offend anyone else.

[Nelliephant]

You do realize that Miley and Taylor look like they're about a nano second away from planting one on each other in your avatar right? I'm just saying. It's kind of well, gay.

...did I ever mention just how much I love you? In a platonic sense, of course

[Xizer]

I'd say gay people are performing a public good for society. They act as beacons for people we should avoid. Morons just can't seem to stay away from gay people and let them do what they want.

[Yero34]

Told you the Maylor love would come in handy.8-)

I'm a Christian, though no fanatical, and I have tons of gay friends. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I wish Christians didn't get a bad name, but with stupid homophobic religious groups running around, we probably will. So thank you Miley for showing people that we're not all homophobes.

[Xizer]

http://i41.tinypic.com/303lix4.jpg

[Nelliephant]

Isn' that more incestuous? (no idea if that was spelled right)

[Xizer]

Isn' that more incestuous? (no idea if that was spelled right)

Incestuous lesbianism... just about the hottest thing ever, specially with twins...with purple hair.

[Yero34]

You want gay? Here's gay.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1266/twistvidmileyampamptayl.jpg

[Lynnaque]

u obviously, completely missed my point! Retard.

listen. what you are doing is wrong. the fact that you even thought about going up to gay people and tell them that being gay is wrong, is sick! did you know that freedom of speech gives people the right to be racist as well? freedom of speech is easily abused, and you're doing it right now. you are discriminating against people just like you and me, and.. just gtfo.

[Lynnaque]

http://i41.tinypic.com/303lix4.jpg

i'm not really that into incest though. just sayin.

[Xizer]

listen. what you are doing is wrong. the fact that you even thought about going up to gay people and tell them that being gay is wrong, is sick! did you know that freedom of speech gives people the right to be racist as well? freedom of speech is easily abused, and you're doing it right now. you are discriminating against people just like you and me, and.. just gtfo.

Pfft. A European. Obviously just another godless communist we're dealing with here. This Lynnaque person couldn't be on to something... :33:

[Nelliephant]

Anyone know a Mod that's online who I can report mileyobsessed to?

Edit: never mind

[AnnaMontana]

that is so wrong...
i don't think religion should be brought into the gay movement at all. (2, 4, 6, 8, separate the church and state!)
anyone who is a christian and believes that being gay is wrong really ought to ask themselves "what would jesus do?" because i think he would accept everyone for how they are and love everyone.
i dislike homophobes. and enjoy freaking them out! :D:D

[hotncleverchik]

You know what?
I'm against gay people myself, but that's my opinion.
Just cos Miley's a celeb, she's not entitled to an opinion now?!
freedom of speech - that's for everybody, right? INCLUDING celebrities.
Gay people are the same as the rest of us, made in the same way. The way they live their lives is their choice, just like the way we live ours is ours.
I had to say this, cos a lot of people are misinterpreting what Miley's saying.

[Lynnaque]

You know what?
I'm against gay people myself, but that's my opinion.
Just cos Miley's a celeb, she's not entitled to an opinion now?!
freedom of speech - that's for everybody, right? INCLUDING celebrities.
Gay people are the same as the rest of us, made in the same way. The way they live their lives is their choice, just like the way we live ours is ours.
I had to say this, cos a lot of people are misinterpreting what Miley's saying.

what do you mean? how are we misinterpreting what she's saying?

[hotncleverchik]

what do you mean? how are we misinterpreting what she's saying?

No i didn't mean it in an offensive way at all. I'm talking about the few people who did misinterpret her... i dont think i made that clear, sorry.

They may not be on the forum, but i'm just saying that they're there...

[Lynnaque]

No i didn't mean it in an offensive way at all. I'm talking about the few people who did misinterpret her... i dont think i made that clear, sorry.

They may not be on the forum, but i'm just saying that they're there...

i don't think anyone really misinterpreted it. miley's pro-gay rights. not much to misinterpret. they may not like it, but that's their damage.

[Yero34]

Miley is pro equality. She said everyone deserves to be happy. It's a good mindset.

[mileyobsessed]

Well seeing as you're following the advice so far, I strongly suggest you leave this thread now before you offend anyone else.

gladly. but apparently no one else minds offending people.

[joecyrusfan]

No i didn't mean it in an offensive way at all. I'm talking about the few people who did misinterpret her... i dont think i made that clear, sorry.

They may not be on the forum, but i'm just saying that they're there...

Yes they are she was just saying that GOd love every one in THE END. And it is GOD who is to judge us & it's not are place to judge one another for what we do or do not, it will be his EYEs that judge's us, THE END .

[Lynnaque]

Yay, and now she only has to say that she's not a hardcore creationist and I'm happy with her ^^

i know right, i am so proud of her. god she's great.

[dontwalkaway]

if miley retracts her statements in any way at all i am going to cry

[C_City*]

She won't retract this, Miley's right.

[Lynnaque]

i sure hope not. i might just die.

[dontwalkaway]

OH and for anyone saying God condemned gays WRONG he said don't have sex with another guy and that's because the only sex you're supposed to have should be for the purpose of procreation which that obviously is not (feel free to keep trying!) so yes please do not spout that garbage

[hotncleverchik]

OH and for anyone saying God condemned gays WRONG he said don't have sex with another guy and that's because the only sex you're supposed to have should be for the purpose of procreation which that obviously is not (feel free to keep trying!) so yes please do not spout that garbage

Gays are totally wrong in my religion. I'm not Christian, so ur beliefs are totally different. But, as I said before, we're all entitled to opinion ;)

[FrenchGirl15]

Gays are totally wrong in my religion. I'm not Christian, so ur beliefs are totally different. But, as I said before, we're all entitled to opinion ;)

I agree! I'm a hard-core Catholic and it is completly against my religion.
I thought Miley was supposed to be Christian...:33:

[hotncleverchik]

Sometimes individual beliefs mean something too, though.

[Lynnaque]

I agree! I'm a hard-core Catholic and it is completly against my religion.
I thought Miley was supposed to be Christian...:33:

nah, miley's a heathen whore.

[Amandinha]

I agree! I'm a hard-core Catholic and it is completly against my religion.
I thought Miley was supposed to be Christian...:33:
I thought you were supposed to be smart?

[NancyDrew]

K, let's not attack each other.

The Bible teaches us to LOVE each other. That's just what Miley is doing. (:

[joecyrusfan]

K, let's not attack each other.

The Bible teaches us to LOVE each other. That's just what Miley is doing. (:

Yes and that what Miley was saying "The Bible teaches us to LOVE each other."

[SmileyMileyRay]

I agree! I'm a hard-core Catholic and it is completly against my religion.
I thought Miley was supposed to be Christian...:33:

Um, she is, but the bible ALSO teaches you to love everyone. That's just what she's doing. You also don't completely have to follow everything the bible says. It doesn't mean she's not a Christian.

[flutesinger262]

I agree! I'm a hard-core Catholic and it is completly against my religion.
I thought Miley was supposed to be Christian...:33:
isn't it also in the bible not to judge, so by judging aren't you going against your religion?

this is what I don't understand, there are so many other "sins" that people commit but we don't take away their rights yet its okay to take away the rights of gays? this isn't even just about having a wedding. there are so many rights that they can't have because they can't get married.

[tanningbry]

I don't really like how Miley was saying the whole gay thing, but it's her opinion and for all I know, that might have been a Miley poser.

[nailzee]

Oh, catholic...haha, don't get me started how much this denomination departures from the bible. There was a reason why Luther translated the bible ;)

[Lynnaque]

I don't really like how Miley was saying the whole gay thing, but it's her opinion and for all I know, that might have been a Miley poser.

nope, not a poser, it's her twitter. miley loves the gays. in fact, unless you're gay she won't love you. yep.

[lia_potter]

so miley supposed to say nothing about current issues now. blah. how does she not understand Bible?? she reads it everyday. they have no rights to judge her like that.

[blink182]

its a good thing that Miley doesnt have anything against gay people. They are still people like us, we all came from the same place.

Heck, gay people are cool lol i know this gay guy and he is really a party animal soo grazy lol

[abbyx]

are you serious, one day she will do something right.
i believe in gay marriage i don't find anything wrong with it aslong as they are happy and enjoy life why stop them from having no life.

[fallout]

Tehy really attack her for everything,

[lizzi]

It´s so unfair only because of that to say that she is no christian!! What wrong with u people???

[Dreamward]

I agree! I'm a hard-core Catholic and it is completly against my religion.
I thought Miley was supposed to be Christian...:33:

I thought Christians were supposed to be loving and tolerant? Miley demonstrated the absolute best in Christianity by speaking out against the bigots who oppose BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS for homosexuals. Because that's what they're doing. They are denying the most fundamental right of humanity, the right to express love. It's disgusting.

I really love that this thread 99% pro-gay rights, or at least tolerant of the idea, with just a couple of extremists on the fringe. Great thread.

[Nelliephant]

Exactly, Miley is the one giving Christians a good name, not a bad one.
She's proved time and time again how open-minded she is, and if that's not something good then I don't know what is, sure sometimes it can make her more vulnerable for people to take advantage of her, but she's absolutely got her heart in the right place, and to me, these are the reasons why she's a fantastic role model.

[joecyrusfan]

Exactly, Miley is the one giving Christians a good name, not a bad one.
She's proved time and time again how open-minded she is, and if that's not something good then I don't know what is, sure sometimes it can make her more vulnerable for people to take advantage of her, but she's absolutely got her heart in the right place, and to me, these are the reasons why she's a fantastic role model.

I agree & it's very true that she's absolutely got her heart in the right place, and to me, these are the reasons why she's a fantastic role model.= yes she do's

[Yero34]

I talked to my voice teacher yesterday whom I thought might be all about the bible, but she surprised me by saying that not everything is true. So people can surprise you. I'd really like to know what part of what Miley said was wrong. Was it the part where she said you shouldn't use religion to hate, or the part where she said God loves everyone?

[joecyrusfan]

this is what she said on her Twitter "Everyone deserves to love and be loved and most importantly smile."
"Jesus loves you and your partner and wants you to know how much he cares! That's like a daddy not loving his lil boy cuz he's gay and that is wrong and very sad!
"Like I said everyone deserves to be happy."
"God’s greatest commandment is to love. And judging is not loving."
"I am a Christian and I love you - gay or not - because you are no different than anyone else! We are all God's children."

[FrenchGirl15]

You guys are right, God does love everyone!
But, that doesn't mean that He loves our actions.
Being gay is not right. God created marriage for one man and one woman.
Whether you guys believe me or not, it's the truth.
Miley and her family are good Christian people. But, it's not right that Miley is pro-gay. That's all I'm saying. I don't care if you people bash me or call me names.
I'm following God's Will by telling you guys whats right.
~Lauren

[Lynnaque]

You guys are right, God does love everyone!
But, that doesn't mean that He loves our actions.
Being gay is not right. God created marriage for one man and one woman.
Whether you guys believe me or not, it's the truth.
Miley and her family are good Christian people. But, it's not right that Miley is pro-gay. That's all I'm saying. I don't care if you people bash me or call me names.
I'm following God's Will by telling you guys whats right.
~Lauren

look kid, people can't help it if they're born gay. if god created man he created gay people too, and no matter if they don't do gay ~actions~ they're still gay. and i'm not qualified to tell you about interpreting the bible, but listen to victoria and yero, they've got it right.

[Lynnaque]

Stop cussing, Lynnaque. I reported you.
I do not believe one bit that people are born gay. It's a choice they make! Since you talk about the Holy Bible like that, I guess you don't even respect it!

why would anyone want to be gay with people like you around? do you even know anyone gay? it is NOT a choice, wtf that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. some people are bisexual, and are attracted to both sexes, but gay people are gay because that's how they're born, and you are just as bad as an effing racist.

i respect the bible as great literature, but it is not intended for governing a modern nation. there are lovely themes in it that should be respected, LIKE NOT JUDGING, but it was written 2000 years ago in a time much different from ours. it also says you have to cut off your hand if you masturbate, that slavery is fine, and that unfaithful women should be stoned. so yeah, if you're going to take it literally and use it to discriminate and destroy you can shove it up your precious behind.

[nailzee]

Stop cussing, Lynnaque. I reported you.
I do not believe one bit that people are born gay. It's a choice they make! Since you talk about the Holy Bible like that, I guess you don't even respect it!

Read:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp

Sorry, but I just can't take a person serious who believes that an old bavarian man is the successor of Jesus, infallible (if that's the correct word) and tells people to stop using birth control.

[flutesinger262]

You guys are right, God does love everyone!
But, that doesn't mean that He loves our actions.
Being gay is not right. God created marriage for one man and one woman.
Whether you guys believe me or not, it's the truth.
Miley and her family are good Christian people. But, it's not right that Miley is pro-gay. That's all I'm saying. I don't care if you people bash me or call me names.
I'm following God's Will by telling you guys whats right.
~Lauren
the bible also says that you don't get to judge, but thats what your doing.

look there are a lot of actions people do that no one likes. a lot of people cheat, and that is a sinn but those people still have all their rights. like i said this isn't about an actual marriage, its about the rights that they csan not have because they are not married. Do you know that if you were gay and you were in a car accident and couldn't make decisions for yourself, your partner would not be allowed to make decision for you even if you were togther for 30 years, they couldn't do it beacsue they're not your spouse. If you were dying because that that accident, they could not be by your bedside because they are not your spouse. if a gay couple adpots a child only one of them can go on to the birth certificate, so if something to the parent who is on the certificate that other parent won't have any legal rights to that child. this is not about a marriage, this is about the rights that come along with that

[flutesinger262]

Stop cussing, Lynnaque. I reported you.
I do not believe one bit that people are born gay. It's a choice they make! Since you talk about the Holy Bible like that, I guess you don't even respect it!
there is scienetific proof that at least in males being gay is something they're born as

[Lynnaque]

I'm not even going to talk to YOU, Lynnaquin, whatever your name is!
I'm talking to OTHER people! Stop saying those mean things!
I believe in Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible will ALWAYS be new and sacred!
I don't care how much you cuss or say bad things. If you cuss again I'm reporting you.

kiss my ass.

[Lynnaque]

well you know, while twit may be short and ~sweet~ this is more to the point ya know.

[Nelliephant]

the bible also says that you don't get to judge, but thats what your doing.

look there are a lot of actions people do that no one likes. a lot of people cheat, and that is a sinn but those people still have all their rights. like i said this isn't about an actual marriage, its about the rights that they csan not have because they are not married. Do you know that if you were gay and you were in a car accident and couldn't make decisions for yourself, your partner would not be allowed to make decision for you even if you were togther for 30 years, they couldn't do it beacsue they're not your spouse. If you were dying because that that accident, they could not be by your bedside because they are not your spouse. if a gay couple adpots a child only one of them can go on to the birth certificate, so if something to the parent who is on the certificate that other parent won't have any legal rights to that child. this is not about a marriage, this is about the rights that come along with that

Thanks for that flute, I think a lot of people fail to see it from that point of view, it's sad and it's unfair and just plain wrong that these things happen to people just because they're gay. Being gay isn't hurting anyone in itself, so I genuinely don't see why it bothers some people so much.
And Frenchgirl, what Lynnaque is saying might be crossing the line, but what you're saying is far worse. By posting discriminative messages, you're breaking probably the most fundamental rule of this message board. You know some members on here are gay themselves, do you have any idea how offensive and hurtful what you're saying will be to them? So if you can't 'tolerate' people telling you to kiss their behind, why on earth should anyone be expected to turn the other cheek to what you're saying?

[flutesinger262]

I don't care. Of course, we Catholics are always being persecuted for our faith.
I guess I'm being persecuted right now. I will stand on my faith and I don't care what you say. If you call me the worst word...God's on my side.
your going against your faith by judging people.....

[flutesinger262]

Thanks for that flute, I think a lot of people fail to see it from that point of view, it's sad and it's unfair and just plain wrong that these things happen to people just because they're gay. Being gay isn't hurting anyone in itself, so I genuinely don't see why it bothers some people so much.
And Frenchgirl, what Lynnaque is saying might be crossing the line, but what you're saying is far worse. By posting discriminative messages, you're breaking probably the most fundamental rule of this message board. You know some members on here are gay themselves, do you have any idea how offensive and hurtful what you're saying will be to them? So if you can't 'tolerate' people telling you to kiss their behind, why on earth should anyone be expected to turn the other cheek to what you're saying?
a lot of people don't understand or realize the real issues behind gay marriage, this is not about a cheromony and people don't get that. it goes way beyond that. this issue is not as black and white as anyone makes it out to be

[FrenchGirl15]

I'm done with this thread.

[flutesinger262]

why??

[Lynnaque]

I don't care. Of course, we Catholics are always being persecuted for our faith.
I guess I'm being persecuted right now. I will stand on my faith and I don't care what you say. If you call me the worst word...God's on my side.

that's right, you're being persecuted for discriminating against gays. you and hitler can meet up and cry about it.

but ellie's right, i should probably ~simmer down.~

[Dreamward]

why would anyone want to be gay with people like you around? do you even know anyone gay? it is NOT a choice, wtf that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard. some people are bisexual, and are attracted to both sexes, but gay people are gay because that's how they're born, and you are just as bad as an effing racist.

i respect the bible as great literature, but it is not intended for governing a modern nation. there are lovely themes in it that should be respected, LIKE NOT JUDGING, but it was written 2000 years ago in a time much different from ours. it also says you have to cut off your hand if you masturbate, that slavery is fine, and that unfaithful women should be stoned. so yeah, if you're going to take it literally and use it to discriminate and destroy you can shove it up your precious behind.

Would not have *QUITE* put it that way, but yeah, ditto.

[Nelliephant]

Would not have *QUITE* put it that way, but yeah, ditto.

double ditto

[nailzee]

Well, I agree with you, Lynn, but please, control yourself a littel bit. For the welfare of this board, we can't risk losing you through a ban...

And obviously Miley repsonded to this, too ^^:

love is the lords greatest commandment. i understand the bible just fine!!! :)
12 Minuten ago (http://twitter.com/mileycyrus/status/1671975890) from mobile web (http://twitterhelp.blogspot.com/2008/05/twitter-via-mobile-web-mtwittercom.html)

[flutesinger262]

message from Miley's twitter lol:
love is the lords greatest commandment. i understand the bible just fine!!! :)9 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/mileycyrus/status/1671975890) from mobile web (http://twitterhelp.blogspot.com/2008/05/twitter-via-mobile-web-mtwittercom.html)

[Lynnaque]

message from Miley's twitter lol:
love is the lords greatest commandment. i understand the bible just fine!!! :)9 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/mileycyrus/status/1671975890) from mobile web (http://twitterhelp.blogspot.com/2008/05/twitter-via-mobile-web-mtwittercom.html)

omg yes yes yes YES!

[nailzee]

omg yes yes yes YES!

Lol, haha, she's wonderful, isn't she? ;)

[flutesinger262]

i wonder if any of Miley's family actually agrees with ther about this, i mean we already know Brandi doesn't

[SmileyMileyRay]

Hahaha Go Miley.

[nailzee]

i wonder if any of Miley's family actually agrees with ther about this, i mean we already know Brandi doesn't

Really? I thought she just said that she's proud of that Miss California girl for staying to her opinion. That doesn't mean she's against the concept itself.

Well, anyway, I think that Trace doesn't have much problem with it, too.

[Lynnaque]

Lol, haha, she's wonderful, isn't she? ;)

she is ~perfect~. well not really, she wouldn't be very fun if she was, but she's ~perfect~.

flute, how do we know brandi doesn't agree? i think billy ray agrees, i don't think he can muster up he energy to actually oppose something lol.

[Nelliephant]

:D Yesssss!

[flutesinger262]

Really? I thought she just said that she's proud of that Miss California girl for staying to her opinion. That doesn't mean she's against the concept itself.

Well, anyway, I think that Trace doesn't have much problem with it, too.
idk, i kinda took that as her supporting what miss california said. thats just how I saw it though

i don't think Trace is exactly into the entire religion thing like the rest of his family, just the impression I got. he seems a lot different then the rest of them(not that its bad).

[flutesinger262]

she is ~perfect~. well not really, she wouldn't be very fun if she was, but she's ~perfect~.

flute, how do we know brandi doesn't agree? i think billy ray agrees, i don't think he can muster up he energy to actually oppose something lol.
she said something about suporting miss california, or that she was happy that she stood up for what she believed in or something like that.

[nailzee]

Well, someone could ask her, though I doubt she'll respond...

[skatergator777]

idk, i kinda took that as her supporting what miss california said. thats just how I saw it though

i don't think Trace is exactly into the entire religion thing like the rest of his family, just the impression I got. he seems a lot different then the rest of them(not that its bad).
Trace is but not as much. When i talked to him at the concert he said everything that happened was from jesus's love. Mason thanked God for being there to, but they weren't as strong as Miley.

[Lynnaque]

brandi does seem really religious and about following the bible to the t.

erica your promma mia gif is amazing.

[flutesinger262]

brandi does seem really religious and about following the bible to the t.

not more so then Miley IMO. both of them I think are more religious then then even their parents lol.

[flutesinger262]

uh IDK how people are gonna take this:
SRcheerluver (http://twitter.com/SRcheerluver)@mileycyrus (http://twitter.com/mileycyrus) okay...all i'm gonna say is that U know what the Bible says:God created MAN FOR WOMAN not WOMAN FOR WOMAN!if u support lez' wow

Miley said this back:
I mean judge**** not job oopsie4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/mileycyrus/status/1672312662) from mobile web (http://twitterhelp.blogspot.com/2008/05/twitter-via-mobile-web-mtwittercom.html)
@SRcheerluver (http://twitter.com/SRcheerluver) true! BUT the lord is the only one- the ONLY ONE allowed to job we are not entitled to do that! gods greatest commandment <34 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/mileycyrus/status/1672308310) from mobile web (http://twitterhelp.blogspot.com/2008/05/twitter-via-mobile-web-mtwittercom.html)

[Lynnaque]

idk, brandi doesn't even sleep in the same room as her serious boyfriend. and i doubt she'd ever send racy photos to sam. not slamming miley, btw.

[flutesinger262]

idk, brandi doesn't even sleep in the same room as her serious boyfriend.
lol, i doubt Miley would do that either. just my opinon. and I don't think sam would want her too, he IS more religious then Brandi or Miley lol
IDK, i'd say they're about equally religious

[Lynnaque]

uh IDK how people are gonna take this:
SRcheerluver (http://twitter.com/SRcheerluver)@mileycyrus (http://twitter.com/mileycyrus) okay...all i'm gonna say is that U know what the Bible says:God created MAN FOR WOMAN not WOMAN FOR WOMAN!if u support lez' wow

Miley said this back:
I mean judge**** not job oopsie4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/mileycyrus/status/1672312662) from mobile web (http://twitterhelp.blogspot.com/2008/05/twitter-via-mobile-web-mtwittercom.html)
@SRcheerluver (http://twitter.com/SRcheerluver) true! BUT the lord is the only one- the ONLY ONE allowed to job we are not entitled to do that! gods greatest commandment <34 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/mileycyrus/status/1672308310) from mobile web (http://twitterhelp.blogspot.com/2008/05/twitter-via-mobile-web-mtwittercom.html)

so she's saying that.. wait what is she saying?

[flutesinger262]

so she's saying that.. wait what is she saying?
IDK that came off as that she believes that a marriage should be between a man and a women but its not for us to dictate or judge whats others do....

[Lynnaque]

mmm. but no, she agreed with heidi montague that gays should be allowed to marry. she might just mean that the bible does say that, and if god feels that way he can judge, but we shouldn't. idk, don't let me down for the first time, miley!

[nailzee]

so she's saying that.. wait what is she saying?

She's saying that it's true that bible says that women are created for men but people shouldn't say that being gay is bad because it makes those people happy and feel loved.

[Lynnaque]

yeah i think that's it too. that's cool.

[Nelliephant]

yeah at least i think that's what she's getting at.

[flutesinger262]

mmm. but no, she agreed with heidi montague that gays should be allowed to marry. she might just mean that the bible does say that, and if god feels that way he can judge, but we shouldn't. idk, don't let me down for the first time, miley!
IDK, I've thought from the first messages she sent that she never ever stated that she fully supported gay marriage, only that we don't get to judge and that everyone should be happy. thats how she keeps coming off like, thats how shes always come off like IMO but i know a lot of you didn't think that.

the thing is we don't know what part of Heidi's statements Miley agreed with because miely just said she agreed with Heidi, which could have meant some or all of her statements

[flutesinger262]

anyways, I don't care what Miley personally believes about this as long as shes not judging others or forcingt that on others. thats always been my stance

[nailzee]

Well, I'm pretty sure she meant all of Heidi's statements. To me, Miley always seemed to belong to the hippie mindset, so she's definitely pro gay.

[Lynnaque]

IDK, I've thought from the first messages she sent that she never ever stated that she fully supported gay marriage, only that we don't get to judge and that everyone should be happy. thats how she keeps coming off like, thats how shes always come off like IMO but i know a lot of you didn't think that.

the thing is we don't know what part of Heidi's statements Miley agreed with because miely just said she agreed with Heidi, which could have meant some or all of her statements

she never mentioned marriage, but she agreed with perez that gays should have full equality under the law, and she agreed with heidi's twitter which was all about condoning gay marriage. and she said that perez and his partner deserved to be happy. she could have just not responded like the jonas brothers, she chose to speak up.

[flutesinger262]

Well, I'm pretty sure she meant all of Heidi's statements. To me, Miley always seemed to belong to the hippie mindset, so she's definitely pro gay.
haha really? I've never thought that. IMO theres a reason that even her fans were shocked by what she said.

[Lynnaque]

anyways, I don't care what Miley personally believes about this as long as shes not judging others or forcingt that on others. thats always been my stance

flute, i tolerate such a stance, but that kind of mindset helps discrimination live on. it's fine and dandy to think that it doesn't affect others if you don't try to push it onto others, but it legitimizes homophobia and when you don't vote pro-gay marriage you are hurting someone.

i hope miley's the kind of person who wouldn't do that.

[nailzee]

haha really? I've never thought that. IMO theres a reason that even her fans were shocked by what she said.

Haha, well, she talks about going green and savin the environment, she wears those hippie hairbands, she has tons of animals, she plays guitar, she loves rural areas and she's always preaching love and peace. ->Hippie

[flutesinger262]

she never mentioned marriage, but she agreed with perez that gays should have full equality under the law, and she agreed with heidi's twitter which was all about condoning gay marriage. and she said that perez and his partner deserved to be happy. she could have just not responded like the jonas brothers, she chose to speak up.
she could have, but she was the first person perez asked.
anyways I'm just saying I never read her comments as coming full out and supporting gay marriage. I though it came as her feeling that its not her place to judge and deciede who should and shouldn't be loved or happy.

see to me saying that everyone deserves to be equal and loved does not mean that she thinks a marriage should be between anyone but a man or a women. Does that make sense? she can still believe that everyone deserves to be treated the same and to be loved but believe that a marriage is only between a man and a women. she just doesn't feel its anyones right to judge others.

[Nelliephant]

The way I see it is that Miley's the kind of person who doesn't want to see anybody unhappy, she wouldn't wish that upon anyone, and in that sense I think she's all for gay marriage and equal rights, but I think what she means is that when it comes to dying and whatever lies beyond that (if anything) it'll be out of our hands at that point and that it's up to God to decide what to do next.

[Lynnaque]

"God says in the bible that we should love our neighbor and he created us all as equals. I know in my heart that gays and lesbians should have the same government rights that Spencer and I will when we get married. So, yes, this blonde Christian believes in gay marriage and I hope to one day go to YOUR wedding, Perez!!!"

miley literally "seconded that". there's no reason to do that if she only agreed with the first sentence. she didn't have to speak up, the jonas brothers didn't and perez asked them too, but she did.

[flutesinger262]

Haha, well, she talks about going green and savin the environment, she wears those hippie hairbands, she has tons of animals, she plays guitar, she loves rural areas and she's always preaching love and peace. ->Hippie
and she also has many qualities that make people believe shes some kind of ultra conservative(which she is not lol). I don't think Miley's a liberal or hippie lol but shes also not like some ultra convesative. she has some qualities from both sides of that, shes in the middle lol

[flutesinger262]

"God says in the bible that we should love our neighbor and he created us all as equals. I know in my heart that gays and lesbians should have the same government rights that Spencer and I will when we get married. So, yes, this blonde Christian believes in gay marriage and I hope to one day go to YOUR wedding, Perez!!!"

miley literally "seconded that". there's no reason to do that if she only agreed with the first sentence. she didn't have to speak up, the jonas brothers didn't and perez asked them too, but she did.
look i'm just saying, Miley never ever flat out said she supported gay marriage and her statement that said "full equity under the law" was IMO very, very carefully worded, for a reason.

the JB's twitter sin't run by the JB's, its run by management lol

[flutesinger262]

The way I see it is that Miley's the kind of person who doesn't want to see anybody unhappy, she wouldn't wish that upon anyone, and in that sense I think she's all for gay marriage and equal rights, but I think what she means is that when it comes to dying and whatever lies beyond that (if anything) it'll be out of our hands at that point and that it's up to God to decide what to do next.
exactly. i jsut think she wants to see everyone happy and loved. but that doesn't mean that she doesn't believe that being gay is a sin(or whatever). I actually think Miley doesn't think its up to her to deciede if it is or isn't a sin, its only up to god.

[Lynnaque]

i think you're reaching, flute.

[flutesinger262]

i think you're reaching, flute.
why would i be reaching, I want her to beleive in gay marriage.....

[flutesinger262]

also keep in mind, this is miley. she could totally be BSing us about all of this lol

[Lynnaque]

the simplest logical explanation is that she wasn't bull****ing us or half lying. occam's razor. you yourself said she wouldn't lie about something really important.

[flutesinger262]

I know but come on shes talking circles around this issue now. I honestly don't think she has a real, concrete view on this entire issue. she just wants everyone to be treated equal, loved and to be happy. but I also think she believes what the bible said.

like i said before people like to make this issue black and white, and this really is a lot more complicated then that. its not as simple as anyone makes it out to be.

there are people who do believe that everyone should be treated equal but also believe that a marriage should be between a man and a women, that is why a lot of places have talked about having something that grants gays the rights that a marriage grants but its not called marriage

[Lynnaque]

it is black and white. i know some people are conflicted but that's not because the issue isn't black and white, it's because they've been indoctrinated with two different views and can't reconcile them. the bible is a book. it's fine and great to believe wholeheartedly in it until it restricts somebody's freedom and basic human rights, then you have no leg to stand on. believing that being gay is a sin is gross.

[Julia--Miley]

whoever is not for gay rights can go die for all i care.

[flutesinger262]

it is black and white. i know some people are conflicted but that's not because the issue isn't black and white, it's because they've been indoctrinated with to different views and can't reconcile them. the bible is a book. it's fine and great to believe wholeheartedly in it until it restricts somebody's freedom and basic human rights, then you have no leg to stand on. believing that being gay is a sin is gross.
it isn't black and white it really isn't. I 100% support gay marriage but even i can tell its not as simple as anyone makes it out to be.
and i agree that the second it restricts someones rights it shouldnt' be used, but thats not reality and never will be reality.
reality is that its not just about I'm write and your wrong, its not as simple as gay marriage is right or gay marriage is wrong.
and thats how you see it but to them being gay is a sin and they're not wrong by saying its in the bible, because it is. i don't agree with them but that doesn't make their believes wrong, stupid or "gross" lol

[Lynnaque]

it isn't black and white it really isn't. I 100% support gay marriage but even i can tell its not as simple as anyone makes it out to be.
and i agree that the second it restricts someones rights it shouldnt' be used, but thats not reality and never will be reality.
reality is that its not just about I'm write and your wrong, its not as simple as gay marriage is right or gay marriage is wrong.

the reality of the issue isn't simple, because some people believe very fundamentally that marriage should only be between a man and a woman, and as such the next best thing is to make an equivalent of marriage legally binding. but the issue is still black and white, because there is only one right answer to this, there should be no difference in rights between homosexuals and heterosexuals. those that believe that there is are wrong. even if they get the rights that marriage gives them they were still denied a church wedding and marriage, and what if they are deeply religious? they are still treated as inferiors, and that is WRONG. it is black and white.

what *isn't* black and white about it?

[flutesinger262]

but see again thats your point of view. who are you to tell them they are wrong or ignorant or stupid? and the same goes for them, they can believe gay marriage is wrong all they want to but who are they to say that you are stupid, ignorant, or wrong?

you see there as being one solution, and thats fine but a lot of people don't. and its not just about religion either. like I said, the fundementalists don't understand this is about more then just a wedding and a lot of supports for gay marriage don't understand that its not just about religion.
i don't see this issue being resolved for a long time because it really isn't as simple as anyone wants it to be

[Yero34]

there should be no difference in rights between homosexuals and heterosexuals.


And I'd also add that there's no difference period. Everyone is a flippin' human being. We were all created in God's image. One is not inferior or superior to the other. The hate has to stop. Miley's stance is one that more people should be taking.

[flutesinger262]

And I'd also add that there's no difference period. Everyone is a flippin' human being. We were all created in God's image. One is not inferior or superior to the other. The hate has to stop. Miley's stance is one that more people should be taking.
ITA the hate has to stop on all sides

[Lynnaque]

but see again thats your point of view. who are you to tell them they are wrong or ignorant or stupid? and the same goes for them, they can believe gay marriage is wrong all they want to but who are they to say that you are stupid, ignorant, or wrong?

you see there as being one solution, and thats fine but a lot of people don't. and its not just about religion either. like I said, the fundementalists don't understand this is about more then just a wedding and a lot of supports for gay marriage don't understand that its not just about religion.
i don't see this issue being resolved for a long time because it really isn't as simple as anyone wants it to be

actually i do get to tell them that they are wrong, ignorant and stupid, because their views hurt others. that's like saying that it's okay to be racist because that's ~their opinion~. being tolerant of others' views can only go so far, because in the end if your views intrude upon the fundamental right of being treated equally, you are ****ing low. when it comes to being homophobic, racist, or prejudiced in other ways the right thing really is black or white. be a democrat, be a republican, believe in god, don't believe in god, i don't ****ing care, but don't you dare discriminate because that **** is tired. not you as in you btw.

it isn't simple in practical terms, but that's because we really aren't as civilized as we'd like to think we are, and believing that homosexuality is a sin sure as hell isn't tolerated where i come from. it shouldn't be anywhere.

[Lynnaque]

And I'd also add that there's no difference period. Everyone is a flippin' human being. We were all created in God's image. One is not inferior or superior to the other. The hate has to stop. Miley's stance is one that more people should be taking.

yes of course, and the people who can't see that are idiots.

[tanningbry]

nope, not a poser, it's her twitter. miley loves the gays. in fact, unless you're gay she won't love you. yep.
Okay, just making sure. And Miley isn't like that.;)

[flutesinger262]

i'm not discriminating against anyone. I just think its so rediculous to call be people stupid, wrong or dumb because they disagree with you. i think gays should be allowed to be married, I think that they should be able to both be on the childs birth certificate if they adopt, I think they should be able to make legal decision for eachother if they can make it for themselves. but that does not mean that people who feel otherwise are ignorant. they have reasons for their believes, reasons that they believe are legit, just like you and me. my only concern with those people believing that is when they tell someone else they cant' do soemthing or judge those people.
fundementalists are allways attack for telling others how to believe but poeple who are on the other end of the issue are doing the same exact thing.

[SaintSaturn]

@mileycyrus (http://twitter.com/mileycyrus) okay...all i'm gonna say is that U know what the Bible says:God created MAN FOR WOMAN not WOMAN FOR WOMAN!if u support lez' wowabout 2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/SRcheerluver/status/1672287816) from web

[Rockin_Miley]

that wow makes the person look bad in my book..
its like when people go 'ewwwww' when you mention girls liking girls

so suckish

[tanningbry]

whoever is not for gay rights can go die for all i care.
So you're saying that I should die for not supporting gay marriages?

[flutesinger262]

that wow makes the person look bad in my book..
its like when people go 'ewwwww' when you mention girls liking girls
Miley didn't say it, some random girl said that to her.

[SaintSaturn]

i'm not discriminating against anyone. I just think its so rediculous to call be people stupid, wrong or dumb because they disagree with you. i think gays should be allowed to be married, I think that they should be able to both be on the childs birth certificate if they adopt, I think they should be able to make legal decision for eachother if they can make it for themselves. but that does not mean that people who feel otherwise are ignorant. they have reasons for their believes, reasons that they believe are legit, just like you and me. my only concern with those people believing that is when they tell someone else they cant' do soemthing or judge those people.
fundementalists are allways attack for telling others how to believe but poeple who are on the other end of the issue are doing the same exact thing.

Not really. Some pro-gay marriage people are a little crazy, and need to learn how to keep their mouths shut (Perez), but in the end they want equal rights for all. People opposed to gay marriage want to restrict these rights. There is a difference.

[Rockin_Miley]

The way i see it, i support gay marriage. Everyone elses opinion, whether or not is different then mine, doesnt really effect me. so im not gonna wish death or anything. its not hurting me. as long as they arent hurting anyone then im gonna leave alone. i cant change their opinion.

[Lynnaque]

i'm not discriminating against anyone. I just think its so rediculous to call be people stupid, wrong or dumb because they disagree with you. i think gays should be allowed to be married, I think that they should be able to both be on the childs birth certificate if they adopt, I think they should be able to make legal decision for eachother if they can make it for themselves. but that does not mean that people who feel otherwise are ignorant. they have reasons for their believes, reasons that they believe are legit, just like you and me. my only concern with those people believing that is when they tell someone else they cant' do soemthing or judge those people.
fundementalists are allways attack for telling others how to believe but poeple who are on the other end of the issue are doing the same exact thing.

i didn't mean that you were discriminating against anyone, it was a general 'you'. but are you seriously saying that it's okay to believe that there is something wrong with people who are gay? are you saying that it's okay to believe that they are somehow inferior to heterosexuals because of who they are attracted to? their reasons are not legit, there is no legit reason to be prejudiced against gay people, against black people, against white people, against anyone. what are these oh so legit reasons? at some point you have to take a stand, and being diplomatic to a fault legitimizes their beliefs, beliefs that are unconstitutional and against basic human rights.

[flutesinger262]

Not really. Some pro-gay marriage people are a little crazy, and need to learn how to keep their mouths shut (Perez), but in the end they want equal rights for all. People opposed to gay marriage want to restrict these rights. There is a difference.
but both sides are telling people how they should feel and what they should beleive and that shouldn't be happening, from anyone.

and I never, ever, ever though I'd say this but I agree wtih CJ.

[NancyDrew]

Haha. Stranger things happen. ;) But it's not that hard. :lol:

[SaintSaturn]

but both sides are telling people how they should feel and what they should beleive and that shouldn't be happening, from anyone.

and I never, ever, ever though I'd say this but I agree wtih CJ.


Let me ask you this. I know it's a bad comparison, but there were people who were pro-slavery all over the country not too long ago. Would I not be able to tell them that their opinion is wrong? I know that's drastic, but just because it is someone's opinion does not make it less wrong in certain situations. People who oppose gay marriage are pretty much saying that gay people do not deserve the same rights as straight people. That is wrong no matter how you look at it.

[Lynnaque]

The way i see it, i support gay marriage. Everyone elses opinion, whether or not is different then mine, doesnt really effect me. so im not gonna wish death or anything. its not hurting me. as long as they arent hurting anyone then im gonna leave alone. i cant change their opinion.

oh yeah, i mean it doesn't affect us so why care? the rules concerning gays need to change and as long as we accept anti-gay opinions and don't do anything, they won't.

[Lynnaque]

Let me ask you this. I know it's a bad comparison, but there were people who were pro-slavery all over the country not too long ago. Would I not be able to tell them that their opinion is wrong? I know that's drastic, but just because it is someone's opinion does not make it less wrong in certain situations. People who oppose gay marriage are pretty much saying that gay people do not deserve the same rights as straight people. That is wrong no matter how you look at it.

exactly.

+20 cool points. this even beats the schmidley reply.

[SaintSaturn]

exactly.

+20 cool points. this even beats the schmidley reply.

I like the schmidley reply better. He's a musician.

[Rockin_Miley]

oh yeah, i mean it doesn't affect us so why care? the rules concerning gays need to change and as long as we accept anti-gay opinions and don't do anything, they won't.wait , i cant tell if your like trying to be rude or sarcastic or agree with me. :33:

[flutesinger262]

Let me ask you this. I know it's a bad comparison, but there were people who were pro-slavery all over the country not too long ago. Would I not be able to tell them that their opinion is wrong? I know that's drastic, but just because it is someone's opinion does not make it less wrong in certain situations. People who oppose gay marriage are pretty much saying that gay people do not deserve the same rights as straight people. That is wrong no matter how you look at it.

i get what your saying but don't you think it makes us hypcrites to tell them what they can and can not believe when thats the one thing were criticising them for?

[Lynnaque]

wait , i cant tell if your like trying to be rude or sarcastic or agree with me. :33:

people often have this problem. i'm being rude and sarcastic :)

[Rockin_Miley]

oh ok, just checking.

[Lynnaque]

I like the schmidley reply better. He's a musician.

that's true. but is he a gay musician?? ..yeah i don't know what i was trying to say.

flute, answer my questions.

[SaintSaturn]

i get what your saying but don't you think it makes us hypcrites to tell them what they can and can not believe when thats the one thing were criticising them for?

They can believe it in their hearts, because that is the one thing nobody can ever take away from you. However, if they openly support policies that restrict the rights of ANY group, that is a big problem.

[Lynnaque]

nooo they can't believe it in their hearts! it's not hypocritical of us to force our beliefs unto them, because this has to be done to make a better world.

..i would make a great dictator. it's all for the best.

[SaintSaturn]

nooo they can't believe it in their hearts! it's not hypocritical of us to force our beliefs unto them, because this has to be done to make a better world.

..i would make a great dictator. it's all for the best.

Well nobody can stop anyone from believing something in their heart. We CAN stop unfair policy that descriminates against a large group of people.


I hope I didn't just destroy your love for me.

[NancyDrew]

Haha. That killed the thread. Lol Jk. ;)

[Lynnaque]

Well nobody can stop anyone from believing something in their heart. We CAN stop unfair policy that descriminates against a large group of people.


I hope I didn't just destroy your love for me.

but if we condone opinions that by their nature are prejudiced we are legitimizing them. it's all well and good to respect people's opinions, but that stops when there are larger issues to consider. and these people will most likely teach it to their children, they will most likely not vote pro-gay marriage. i'm sorry, maybe it is hypocritical, but prejudice and discrimination is never okay. maybe we can't change their opinion, but we can try. and we should.

WE SHALL SEE.

[flutesinger262]

i didn't mean that you were discriminating against anyone, it was a general 'you'. but are you seriously saying that it's okay to believe that there is something wrong with people who are gay? are you saying that it's okay to believe that they are somehow inferior to heterosexuals because of who they are attracted to? their reasons are not legit, there is no legit reason to be prejudiced against gay people, against black people, against white people, against anyone. what are these oh so legit reasons? at some point you have to take a stand, and being diplomatic to a fault legitimizes their beliefs, beliefs that are unconstitutional and against basic human rights.
no i don't think its okay to believe that but I also don't think its oaky to tell anyone what to believe. those are my beliefs, but they are not everyones.

and its against our constitution for us to use religion in making government decisions but people do it anyways and always will. the fact that religion and the state are to be seperate are not reality, its an ideal.

[blink182]

it makes me kinda sick how people think and talk about gay marriage on the wrong way.

Evrybody is the same, there is no difference.

[blink182]

i love how some people say that there dreams is world peace. Well there is only one way to get world peace, get rid of all relegions and threat evrybody equel. Thats the key, badly it wont never happend. Relegion is destroying the world, we destroy it.

[flutesinger262]

but if we condone opinions that by their nature are prejudiced we are legitimizing them. it's all well and good to respect people's opinions, but that stops when there are larger issues to consider. and these people will most likely teach it to their children, they will most likely not vote pro-gay marriage. i'm sorry, maybe it is hypocritical, but prejudice and discrimination is never okay. maybe we can't change their opinion, but we can try. and we should.

WE SHALL SEE.
the problem is your being idealistic, not realistic. you have no control over what others believe, no one does. and do you realize you sound just like them? fundementalists believe it is their place to try and change other peoples beliefs and how those people live there lives. your doing them exactly what your criticising them for

[SaintSaturn]

but if we condone opinions that by their nature are prejudiced we are legitimizing them. it's all well and good to respect people's opinions, but that stops when there are larger issues to consider. and these people will most likely teach it to their children, they will most likely not vote pro-gay marriage. i'm sorry, maybe it is hypocritical, but prejudice and discrimination is never okay. maybe we can't change their opinion, but we can try. and we should.

WE SHALL SEE.

I like your ideas, but I don't see how we can ever go about telling them that they are wrong and actually have them listen to us. It sucks because they are descriminating, but we can't stop it. The best thing we can do is change the laws. If we change the laws, at least we can say that our nation as a whole is doing the right thing. Whether or not people agree with the laws is a whole seperate issue.

[flutesinger262]

I like your ideas, but I don't see how we can ever go about telling them that they are wrong and actually have them listen to us. It sucks because they are descriminating, but we can't stop it. The best thing we can do is change the laws. If we change the laws, at least we can say that our nation as a whole is doing the right thing. Whether or not people agree with the laws is a whole seperate issue.
i agree:D

[Lynnaque]

the problem is your being idealistic, not realistic. you have no control over what others believe, no one does. and do you realize you sound just like them? fundementalists believe it is their place to try and change other peoples beliefs and how those people live there lives. your doing them exactly what your criticising them for

yes i realize that i sound just like them, but i'm criticizing them for having the hurtful belief in the first place, not for trying to convert me. they can try to convert me all they want; if we keep the issue at as long as you leave me alone i'll leave you alone we are being selfish, and who the **** will stand up for gay people? social change requires action, and while i guess i am an idealist, well, we've come a long way from slavery even if the battle isn't over yet.

[SaintSaturn]

yes i realize that i sound just like them, but i'm criticizing them for having the hurtful belief in the first place, not for trying to convert me. they can try to convert me all they want; if we keep the issue at as long as you leave me alone i'll leave you alone we are being selfish, and who the **** will stand up for gay people? social change requires action, and while i guess i am an idealist, well, we've come a long way from slavery even if the battle isn't over yet.

Good point. I'm being redundant but the BEST way to do this is by changing the laws. Look at it this way. I think it is safe to say that there are fewer racists in the United States today then in the first half of the 20th century. Why do you think that is? We changed the laws. If our children and grandchildren can grow up in a world where gay marriage is legal, they just might have a different outlook on it than their parents. This is the best thing we can do.

[Julia--Miley]

So you're saying that I should die for not supporting gay marriages?

how could you possible NOT support gays? because the bible said so? oh pleaseee.
god loves everyone. that includes gays.
everyone should have the right to love/marry whoever they want!

[Julia--Miley]

i love how some people say that there dreams is world peace. Well there is only one way to get world peace, get rid of all relegions and threat evrybody equel. Thats the key, badly it wont never happend. Relegion is destroying the world, we destroy it.

YES YES. you took the words out of my mouth. if there was no religion this world would be such a loving place.

[Lynnaque]

Good point. I'm being redundant but the BEST way to do this is by changing the laws. Look at it this way. I think it is safe to say that there are fewer racists in the United States today then in the first half of the 20th century. Why do you think that is? We changed the laws. If our children and grandchildren can grow up in a world where gay marriage is legal, they just might have a different outlook on it than their parents. This is the best thing we can do.

yes you're probably right, but i still feel like we are morally obligated to NOT condone the wretched belief by staying silent.

[MagicMiley]

i havent read any pages, except whats on this one, i didnt read page 1 as i dont want to get hurt or see Miley being hurt.

i went to a concert for Hilary Duff and it was at G-A-Y in London, and to see guys kissing guys and girls kissing girls it was disturbing to say the least, but i also have known some people who are gay, even tho im not gay, a gay guy TRIED chatting me up lol! the world is different now, some people in the church are gay, some people in mcdonalds are gay, its just the way it is now. i mean a few years ago, women wasnt allowed to be themselves or vote, black people was treated like 3rd class, just watch the old movies, 100 years ago people was burned at the stake and sh!t like that, people are always afraid of everything until its everywhere.

whether its really right to be gay, or whether its right for mixed race, or for people to eat animals or whatever, someone somewhere is doing something you wont like. or something you wont mind.

question? the bible is is over 2,000 years old... but what came before that?

i actually always wondered this..... we are in 2009, next year is 2010.... but rewind, what was people saying in BC?

Happy New Year -0002, -0001????????????

I guess these days its everyone to their own. :/

if a guy loves a guy and they are happy or a girl loves a girl and they are happy and no one is being hurt, ie they arent going out beating people up, then whats wrong in that?

just love who you want to. its your heart.

[flutesinger262]

Good point. I'm being redundant but the BEST way to do this is by changing the laws. Look at it this way. I think it is safe to say that there are fewer racists in the United States today then in the first half of the 20th century. Why do you think that is? We changed the laws. If our children and grandchildren can grow up in a world where gay marriage is legal, they just might have a different outlook on it than their parents. This is the best thing we can do.
exactlyh

[abbyx]

wel after going through those post on here im so glad i don't read the bible and that lol.
not trying to be rude or anything but thats my opinion.
my street is full of catholics and we had a gay couple move into our street the catholics complained saying they are showing there kids the wrong thing, i was so pissed off.

[NancyDrew]

A lot of us on here our Christians and we agree with Miley. ;)

[abbyx]

im Christian but i don't read the bible and i don't believe in god.
but wheneve miley say's something from the bibe i always enjoy reading it.

[NancyDrew]

Well that's good then. She knows more, I think, than those so called experts when it comes to stuff like this.

[abbyx]

Well that's good then. She knows more, I think, than those so called experts when it comes to stuff like this.

but when my neighbours who are all catholics didn't agree with gay's living in our street i was really pissed off.
but i hope by me saying i don't believe in god nor do i read the bible miley would hate me lol.

[NancyDrew]

Well, people like that are, imo, some examples of the worst of human kind. You should NEVER act like that whether you agree with their choice or not.

And I don't think Miley would hate you. Lol :P

[abbyx]

Well, people like that are, imo, some examples of the worst of human kind. You should NEVER act like that whether you agree with their choice or not.

And I don't think Miley would hate you. Lol :P


yeh i mean we are the only cristians in my street they don't talk to us because we don't go to catholic schools and that, whcih i find very pathetic,
so whenever the gay people walk out the front of there house i always say hello and all the catholics just look at us like were crap im like you seriously need to grow up.

hah good i was like to my mum yesterday miley will prob hate me if she knew i didn't believe in god or read the bible lol hah

[NancyDrew]

They do! That's just not right imo. Especially since the Bible says to love everyone. It's the second greatest commandment. They kinda missed that.

Haha. It wouldn't be funny if you were like the one person she hated. Lol

[flutesinger262]

most people know a lot more tehn the fundlementalists

[SaintSaturn]

No offence to any catholics (I know they aren't all like this), but lots of them don't know the Bible too well. They mainly just go by traditions, and ~traditionally~ being gay is considered wrong.

[abbyx]

They do! That's just not right imo. Especially since the Bible says to love everyone. It's the second greatest commandment. They kinda missed that.

Haha. It wouldn't be funny if you were like the one person she hated. Lol

hahah in a way that would be cool but not lol haha

[Jacksonator]

i'm not discriminating against anyone. I just think its so rediculous to call be people stupid, wrong or dumb because they disagree with you. i think gays should be allowed to be married, I think that they should be able to both be on the childs birth certificate if they adopt, I think they should be able to make legal decision for eachother if they can make it for themselves. but that does not mean that people who feel otherwise are ignorant. they have reasons for their believes, reasons that they believe are legit, just like you and me. my only concern with those people believing that is when they tell someone else they cant' do soemthing or judge those people.
fundementalists are allways attack for telling others how to believe but poeple who are on the other end of the issue are doing the same exact thing.

Very well thought out post. I agree.

[D.H.C]

This is all I have to say. Im Staright Just Like Miley. But, I ABSOUTLY Believen in Gay Rights. Go Ahead And Sue Me.

[flutesinger262]

i'm just curious why the media is all getting up in arms over a 16 year old who couldn't even vote for prop 8 in the last election. she has no say, so why are these people attacking her. lets be realsitic, most of miley's fans already have views on this and the ones that don't are not old enough to know what being gay is. so why are these organizations attacking her? i hate to say it, but reality is it does not matter what Miley thinks since she can not vote.

[abbyx]

i'm just curious why the media is all getting up in arms over a 16 year old who couldn't even vote for prop 8 in the last election. she has no say, so why are these people attacking her. lets be realsitic, most of miley's fans already have views on this and the ones that don't are not old enough to know what being gay is. so why are these organizations attacking her? i hate to say it, but reality is it does not matter what Miley thinks since she can not vote.


thats so true.
also they should attack perez for asking a 16 year old on what her thoughts were on gay marriage.
well im 100% fine with gay marriage, except perez i can't stand him.

[Jacksonator]

i'm just curious why the media is all getting up in arms over a 16 year old who couldn't even vote for prop 8 in the last election. she has no say, so why are these people attacking her. lets be realsitic, most of miley's fans already have views on this and the ones that don't are not old enough to know what being gay is. so why are these organizations attacking her? i hate to say it, but reality is it does not matter what Miley thinks since she can not vote.

They are simply using her name for publicity (as I'm sure you know). It's not fair, but I it's part of the territory when you reach her level of mega-stardom. It's the same reason that idiot brought the frivolous and soon to be tossed out class action suit over the eye gesture. You could say that she should anticipate all this, and therefore censor herself, but I think she should be allowed to be a sixteen year old and express herself. If the various victims advocacy groups don't like it, too bad.

[nailzee]

YES YES. you took the words out of my mouth. if there was no religion this world would be such a loving place.

Erm, sorry, but a world without religion will never exist. You always believe in something whther it's a god or anything else, so there'll always be a religion. If people agreed to abolish the main religions on this planet, one day there would be someone smart who would use the people to follow his cult. And a world with Scientology like religions isn't really a good place.
Basically, the human rights are all based of religious writings, they just interpreted the stuff written in this old books with a modern view. And tha should be the main goal.
Religion is way to traditional, some people simply forget that this stuff was written thousands of years ago, so you have to look at these writings with a modern mindset. If you do this, you'll see that for example the Bible is still a pretty good book for morals and ethics.

[V-ball Baby 101]

oh wow miley's such a bad role model for telling everyone to expect for who really is telling everyone that just because someone's gay u shouldnt be nice to them SHE'S SO BAD!!:o :P
(scrasm)

[rii]

just because you cant vote doesnt mean you cant have a voice in politics. you guys do realize that voting is NOT the only way to get involved with politics. (activists, voting specialists, campaigners, communalists, parochial participants) im actually really surprised that you guys think miley being pro-gay marriage means nothing in the world. miley is a role model to the younger generation. miley is 16, but you know what? in 2 years she can vote. the younger generation - in a couple years they can vote.

did you know that the gay community realizes gay marriage isnt going to be legalized right away? they realize its going to be a long war. they realize they are going to lose some battles. but in the end, they hope to win the war. i for one am pro-gay marriage but even i know the possibility of it being legalized everywhere in the U.S. within... say the next 5 years, is low. i mean, i think there are about 4-5 states in the U.S. which have legalized gay marriage with only a couple more states still deciding in their legislature. only that many states out of 50. if you dont think what the younger generation believes about politics is important, you are sorely mistaken. im sure the gay community cares about the younger generation too. prop 8 in california - it passed. but voting statistics have shown that the majority of the young voters voted against it. emphasis on the YOUNG.

thats why its so important to get the message out now. to even have the younger generation think about the issue of gay marriage is a HUGE step. because you know what? gay/lesbian teenagers will commit suicide about 6x more than their straight counterparts. 2 young kids committed suicide recently from being teased about being gay(whether or not they were). some gay teenager out there who thinks of miley as role model can think, "it is ok to be gay" because of what miley said. THAT is why what miley thinks can be so important. just one kid accepting him/herself or even just feeling reassurance makes me think what miley said is so great. people think that what celebrities do/say in politics or whatever else doesnt affect anyone, but it can and it has. any issue that is publicized widely can affect people, because for one thing it gets people thinking about that issue.

and some people think miley isnt affecting her young fans at all when she says this. the truth is, the younger generation isnt even that involved in politics. youths have the lowest voter turnout usually. in the last presidential election there was a record high for the youth voter turnout. to be honest, this was probably largely due to the media frenzy over it. im a teachers assistant for a sophomore class in highschool. one girl wanted to write an essay about obama. my teacher told her to choose a different subject after asking her if she knew any of his economic/social/foreign policies. she knew basically nothing. some may not be too far off when they think people who suddenly got involved in politics did so because it was trendy.

ever heard of political socialization? political socialization - the process by which personal and other background traits influence one's views about politics and government. studies have shown that political socialization matters. now lets see what is part of political socialization.
the family, religion, gender, schooling/information, social class, race/ethnicity, and region. and im sure there are other characteristics but those are the big ones.
miley would be part of the schooling/information part. teenagers get part of their political information from school, friends, and the media. miley is part of the media in this situation.

[tanningbry]

how could you possible NOT support gays? because the bible said so? oh pleaseee.
god loves everyone. that includes gays.
everyone should have the right to love/marry whoever they want!
I don't support gay marraiges because I think being gay is wrong. God created women to be with men. I mean, I don't care if people want to be gay and stick with that. I'll leave them be. I won't go around showing that I hate them.

[fallout]

I hate religion. Living your life and following every rule frome a book that where written for 2000 years ago is just wrong(IMO). Gay people should be allowed to marry in today's modern society!

[Julia--Miley]

^ true effing that.

[Lynnaque]

forgive my ignorance and all, but there isn't a legalized same-sex union alternative in the states, right? the states that are pro-gay marriage, that's actual marriages?

[meanlilbrooks]

in my opinion i'm against gays but miley is right. Jesus does love everyone.
but it's whatever floats your boat.

[Dreamward]

forgive my ignorance and all, but there isn't a legalized same-sex union alternative in the states, right? the states that are pro-gay marriage, that's actual marriages?

Four states-Vermont, Iowa, Massachusetts and Connecticut have legalized same-sex marriage. Civil unions are allowed in ten states.

[Lynnaque]

Four states-Vermont, Iowa, Massachusetts and Connecticut have legalized same-sex marriage. Civil unions are allowed in ten states.

kay, then those four states are actually ahead of denmark, we legalized civil unions in '89 but the religious right keeps vetoing actual marriage. douchebags.

[nailzee]

kay, then those four states are actually ahead of denmark, we legalized civil unions in '89 but the religious right keeps vetoing actual marriage. douchebags.

Yeah, same here. Sadly in Germany we only have those civil unions, too. Well, it's better than nothing I guess.

[mileyobsessed]

okai. im sorry if i offended anyone sooo long ago. i didn't mean to. i was just trying to share my opinion and i shouldn't have gotten into this in the first place. i was pretty young, and not a very social person so i didnt realize people probably react the way i would've like them to.

i hope i can be forgiven.

kaythanksbai..

[nailzee]

Lol, wtf, I can't remember this thread at all, even though I even posted in it.

[angel96]

well this is mileys opinion, well miley may have fans that are gay so she is letting them know she accepts them how is that being a bad role model?

well i think she did right as people like lady gaga and madonna accept gay people why cant she?
she is just doing the right thing by accepting people for who they are next time if miley says she accepts coloured people it may be a headline saying she is a bad role model, we never know.

ANGEL96
xoxoxo
Just my opinion.

[nailzee]

well this is mileys opinion, well miley may have fans that are gay so she is letting them know she accepts them how is that being a bad role model?

well i think she did right as people like lady gaga and madonna accept gay people why cant she?
she is just doing the right thing by accepting people for who they are next time if miley says she accepts coloured people it may be a headline saying she is a bad role model, we never know.

ANGEL96
xoxoxo
Just my opinion.

This thread is old.

[SaintSaturn]

I saw a few of my posts quoted and I don't even remember saying them. Well, I stand by what I said ;).

[nailzee]

I saw a few of my posts quoted and I don't even remember saying them. Well, I stand by what I said ;).

OMG, same with me!

[sweet_escape]

I think Miley did the right thing. It seems like you have to be on either side of this issue, and its nice to see some middle ground.

[xjasonfan29x]

I don't understand why she would be attacked. Gays should have the same rights we do. People are oversensitive.

[lovefashionmuch]

When I first saw this thread, I thought it was something recent.

I find it sad that someone would get attacked for their personal beliefs. In my eyes, people are allowed to disagree with her viewpoints, but to attack her for it, is just unneeded. It accomplishes nothing whatsoever.

[NancyDrew]

I know the post was well meant but please don't bump old threads. It's pretty confusing. Talk to people in person. That's even better! Thanks!

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